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		<title>Comment on Why the Minimum Wage Undermines Socialism (and doesn&#8217;t do much for Capitalism either) by thepunnery</title>
		<link>http://thepunnery.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/why-the-minimum-wage-undermines-socialism-and-doesnt-do-much-for-capitalism-either/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>thepunnery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose they could always cut costs by sending the jobs to China, Mexico, India... okay, that might not work for the fast-food set, but in some industries it&#039;s still an option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose they could always cut costs by sending the jobs to China, Mexico, India&#8230; okay, that might not work for the fast-food set, but in some industries it&#8217;s still an option.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the Minimum Wage Undermines Socialism (and doesn&#8217;t do much for Capitalism either) by thepunnery</title>
		<link>http://thepunnery.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/why-the-minimum-wage-undermines-socialism-and-doesnt-do-much-for-capitalism-either/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>thepunnery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if that 1-3% increase in unemployment of the low-skilled includes those who end up exiting the workforce.  Typically, unemployment numbers don&#039;t count that.  The unemployment data also wouldn&#039;t show the effects of reduced hours.  Are the studies normalized to account for the state of the general economy when the rise occurs?

Another possible impact comes from the &quot;inferior goods&quot; problem--when the price of staples like white bread rises, people tend to cut back on higher-value items like meats and veggies.  Similiarly, if a business needs a full slate of minimum-wage workers, there could be cuts or foregone raises in low-but-above-minimum-wage jobs or mid-range workers.

Presumably part of the expectation of minimum wage policy is that the cuts would pass up the food chain and be manifested in cuts or reductions at the highest levels of the company, or in corporate profits (thus unintentionally affecting stock prices and making everyone worry about their 401k); but I have no idea how much that actually happens.

I&#039;m not sure about your 7-9% figure.  It seems like the change in the &quot;share of income received by minimum wage workers&quot; would depend on the size of the minimum-wage workforce as well as the grand total of wages earned in the country, as well as some correction for the states that already had minimum wages above the previous national minimum wage rate.  I admit I don&#039;t have those figures in front of me.  In any event, there are still people who will be forced out of the workforce.  The question is, how many. 

As far as consumer spending goes, I can only hope that the government is not using that as the chief index of the country&#039;s economic health.  After all, that&#039;s part of what got us into this mess--consumer spending way out of proportion to actual wealth creation.

And at the end of the day, there&#039;s still the question of how much or indeed whether the government ought to be engaged in the redistribution business in the first place; but as the blog entry centered on the question of the M. W.&#039;s value as a tool for implementing socialism, perhaps that&#039;s outside the scope of the discussion at hand.

Thanks for the thought-provoking comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if that 1-3% increase in unemployment of the low-skilled includes those who end up exiting the workforce.  Typically, unemployment numbers don&#8217;t count that.  The unemployment data also wouldn&#8217;t show the effects of reduced hours.  Are the studies normalized to account for the state of the general economy when the rise occurs?</p>
<p>Another possible impact comes from the &#8220;inferior goods&#8221; problem&#8211;when the price of staples like white bread rises, people tend to cut back on higher-value items like meats and veggies.  Similiarly, if a business needs a full slate of minimum-wage workers, there could be cuts or foregone raises in low-but-above-minimum-wage jobs or mid-range workers.</p>
<p>Presumably part of the expectation of minimum wage policy is that the cuts would pass up the food chain and be manifested in cuts or reductions at the highest levels of the company, or in corporate profits (thus unintentionally affecting stock prices and making everyone worry about their 401k); but I have no idea how much that actually happens.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about your 7-9% figure.  It seems like the change in the &#8220;share of income received by minimum wage workers&#8221; would depend on the size of the minimum-wage workforce as well as the grand total of wages earned in the country, as well as some correction for the states that already had minimum wages above the previous national minimum wage rate.  I admit I don&#8217;t have those figures in front of me.  In any event, there are still people who will be forced out of the workforce.  The question is, how many. </p>
<p>As far as consumer spending goes, I can only hope that the government is not using that as the chief index of the country&#8217;s economic health.  After all, that&#8217;s part of what got us into this mess&#8211;consumer spending way out of proportion to actual wealth creation.</p>
<p>And at the end of the day, there&#8217;s still the question of how much or indeed whether the government ought to be engaged in the redistribution business in the first place; but as the blog entry centered on the question of the M. W.&#8217;s value as a tool for implementing socialism, perhaps that&#8217;s outside the scope of the discussion at hand.</p>
<p>Thanks for the thought-provoking comment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the Minimum Wage Undermines Socialism (and doesn&#8217;t do much for Capitalism either) by Benjamin Seghers</title>
		<link>http://thepunnery.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/why-the-minimum-wage-undermines-socialism-and-doesnt-do-much-for-capitalism-either/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Seghers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consumer spending will increase because minimum wage earners are consumers. When they have more income, they will consume more. That why people say consumer spending will increase. Of course, firms will typically respond by either raising prices or cutting spending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consumer spending will increase because minimum wage earners are consumers. When they have more income, they will consume more. That why people say consumer spending will increase. Of course, firms will typically respond by either raising prices or cutting spending.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the Minimum Wage Undermines Socialism (and doesn&#8217;t do much for Capitalism either) by dhparker</title>
		<link>http://thepunnery.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/why-the-minimum-wage-undermines-socialism-and-doesnt-do-much-for-capitalism-either/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>dhparker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wondered, too, about how thathike is going to increase consumer spending.  Maybe those who say it is are counting the fact that if employers want to keep their workers after a minimum wage hike, they will have to raise the prices on whatever they&#039;re producing to pay those workers.  Bigger prices=more money spent by the consumer?  Unless the consumers then can&#039;t afford to pay those higher prices.  Then everybody loses.

...Or have these pro-minimum-wage-hike people even considered that employers have to get that money from somewhere?  There goes inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wondered, too, about how thathike is going to increase consumer spending.  Maybe those who say it is are counting the fact that if employers want to keep their workers after a minimum wage hike, they will have to raise the prices on whatever they&#8217;re producing to pay those workers.  Bigger prices=more money spent by the consumer?  Unless the consumers then can&#8217;t afford to pay those higher prices.  Then everybody loses.</p>
<p>&#8230;Or have these pro-minimum-wage-hike people even considered that employers have to get that money from somewhere?  There goes inflation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Will Someone Please Take Cambridge Off the Boil? by Benjamin Seghers</title>
		<link>http://thepunnery.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/will-someone-please-take-cambridge-off-the-boil/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Seghers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this to be a pretty big non-story hyped up by the media. The only reason it&#039;s receiving any attention is because the person at hand is a well-known African American scholar. I sincerely doubt that, if it had been anyone else, the media would be covering the story.

As for Dr. Gates refusing to step outside his house, I do not fault him. The only reason the arresting officer would ask him to step outside his house is because that&#039;s the only way he could have arrested him. He could not have arrested Dr. Gates inside his house without probable cause of violence, a search warrant, etc.

Frankly, I too would be rather upset with the police if they did not leave my home upon being shown proper identity. I would be even more upset if the officer refused my perfectly legitimate demand to know his name and badge number.

Perhaps it&#039;s true that President Obama used a poor choice of words, but I don&#039;t think this excuses the police officers in this case who I think made poor decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this to be a pretty big non-story hyped up by the media. The only reason it&#8217;s receiving any attention is because the person at hand is a well-known African American scholar. I sincerely doubt that, if it had been anyone else, the media would be covering the story.</p>
<p>As for Dr. Gates refusing to step outside his house, I do not fault him. The only reason the arresting officer would ask him to step outside his house is because that&#8217;s the only way he could have arrested him. He could not have arrested Dr. Gates inside his house without probable cause of violence, a search warrant, etc.</p>
<p>Frankly, I too would be rather upset with the police if they did not leave my home upon being shown proper identity. I would be even more upset if the officer refused my perfectly legitimate demand to know his name and badge number.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s true that President Obama used a poor choice of words, but I don&#8217;t think this excuses the police officers in this case who I think made poor decisions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why the Minimum Wage Undermines Socialism (and doesn&#8217;t do much for Capitalism either) by Benjamin Seghers</title>
		<link>http://thepunnery.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/why-the-minimum-wage-undermines-socialism-and-doesnt-do-much-for-capitalism-either/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Seghers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with you on some issues. Hilda Solis is probably correct that consumer spending will increase. I&#039;m not sure $5 billion is the correct number, but then again I doubt anyone is. Anyway, it&#039;s typically been found that a 10% hike in the minimum wage will increase unemployment of the low-skilled by about 1-3%. That&#039;s being liberal, because a lot of studies have also found insignificant or even positive effects on employment after minimum wage hikes. So the 10% hike will increases the share of income received by minimum wage workers by 7-9%. That&#039;s a fairly effective redistribution tool. Yes it&#039;s true that some people might be getting laid off. However, most studies find that those hardest hit by a minimum wage hike tend to be teenagers, who are most likely to be second income earners and live with their parents. So not only is it a fairly effective redistribution tool, it&#039;s actually well targeted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with you on some issues. Hilda Solis is probably correct that consumer spending will increase. I&#8217;m not sure $5 billion is the correct number, but then again I doubt anyone is. Anyway, it&#8217;s typically been found that a 10% hike in the minimum wage will increase unemployment of the low-skilled by about 1-3%. That&#8217;s being liberal, because a lot of studies have also found insignificant or even positive effects on employment after minimum wage hikes. So the 10% hike will increases the share of income received by minimum wage workers by 7-9%. That&#8217;s a fairly effective redistribution tool. Yes it&#8217;s true that some people might be getting laid off. However, most studies find that those hardest hit by a minimum wage hike tend to be teenagers, who are most likely to be second income earners and live with their parents. So not only is it a fairly effective redistribution tool, it&#8217;s actually well targeted.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kay Bailey Hutchison and The Donor-State Dilemma by dhparker</title>
		<link>http://thepunnery.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/kay-bailey-hutchison-and-the-donor-state-dilemma/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>dhparker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 17:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to see this story from a transportation planner&#039;s perspective.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to see this story from a transportation planner&#8217;s perspective.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on News Flash:  Hercules Cited for Environmental Infractions by dhparker</title>
		<link>http://thepunnery.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/news-flash-hercules-cited-for-environmental-infractions/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>dhparker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a clear picture in my head of the toga-clad reporter running around gathering this news. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a clear picture in my head of the toga-clad reporter running around gathering this news. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts that Pass in the Night by dhparker</title>
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		<dc:creator>dhparker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:)  (Has it been forty-five years?  Ooof.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   (Has it been forty-five years?  Ooof.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Constitution?&#8230; Oh, THAT! by ahrcanum</title>
		<link>http://thepunnery.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/constitution-oh-that/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>ahrcanum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2010- just about the time things will turn around and Obama will take credit for it as he begins to think about a 2nd term in office</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2010- just about the time things will turn around and Obama will take credit for it as he begins to think about a 2nd term in office</p>
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